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		<title>By: Summer M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Summer M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lala: thank you for taking the time to comment, esp. w/ your broken hand.  i broke my hand once, and there was no way i was typing when it wasn&#039;t required.

that said, i want to clarify some things.  first, i don&#039;t think i stated or implied that winfrey and perry wrote the screenplay.  what i was suggesting, however, is that the makers of the film possibly re-shot some scenes to pay homage to their financial backers.

second, in the book, precious&#039; mother&#039;s name is mary johnston.  and according to the wiki entry on &#039;precious&#039; they list her as mary johnston; on imdb, they simply list her as mary.  since she never married precious&#039; father, i decided to use what i thought was her maiden name.  if she calls herself mary jones in the movie, i&#039;m sorry.  i must have missed it.  i didn&#039;t take notes and had to work off of memory and the internet.

third, i understand that nurse john didn&#039;t mack to ms. rain and/or her babe until later.  maybe my sentence was poorly written.  i thought my using the phrase &quot;later cashes in...&quot; conveyed that he didn&#039;t ask for the hook up at precious&#039; bedside.

perhaps the bobby brown comment was picky of me.  but i just think films that endeavor to be good should be accurate, unless one has real reason not to be.  besides, filmmakers use music to mark the time period (think &#039;forrest gump&#039;). i also just thought the song was a weirdly bad choice.

the book does indicate time period.  there&#039;s the farrakhan element removed from the film version, and at least two mentions of ed koch, ny mayor from 78-89, in the book.  in fact, i believe there&#039;s a mention of him wanting to shut down a hospital or some other building in harlem.  i think those things are really important.  harlem circa &#039;87 is a lot different than the gentrified harlem we have now--heading to sylvia&#039;s was probably not on the ny tourist&#039;s list of things to do--and i think the filmmakers could&#039;ve worked harder at establishing the setting and time.

regarding your take of colorism in the film, i have to disagree. in the book, ms. weiss was white, ms. rain was dark skinned, and nurse john was puerto rican and an insignificant character.  in the film, all the good people are light skinned. even precious&#039; children are light, despite the fact that both precious and her father are dark (not saying it can&#039;t happen, i&#039;m just trying to make a point).  i found such casting moves deliberate and irresponsible.  further, the movie challenges precious&#039; opinion of lgbt folks, why not challenge her assumptions about light-skinned people by not making such casting decisions?

i understand that there will be major differences b/w books and their film versions.  however, in this case i think we lost much of the power of the novel by trying to tell a different story on screen.  alex&#039;s post (http://www.blackyouthproject.com/blog/2009/11/precious-pathologies/#more-3482) does a great job of articulating this point.

finally, i&#039;m not blaming winfrey and perry for the failures of the movie.  if anything, i question their reasons for wanting this movie to be produced, and i think it has to do with how they view the lives of black women.  i really do.

sorry this comment was so long, but i wanted to make sure i addressed all of your issues with my post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lala: thank you for taking the time to comment, esp. w/ your broken hand.  i broke my hand once, and there was no way i was typing when it wasn&#8217;t required.</p>
<p>that said, i want to clarify some things.  first, i don&#8217;t think i stated or implied that winfrey and perry wrote the screenplay.  what i was suggesting, however, is that the makers of the film possibly re-shot some scenes to pay homage to their financial backers.</p>
<p>second, in the book, precious&#8217; mother&#8217;s name is mary johnston.  and according to the wiki entry on &#8216;precious&#8217; they list her as mary johnston; on imdb, they simply list her as mary.  since she never married precious&#8217; father, i decided to use what i thought was her maiden name.  if she calls herself mary jones in the movie, i&#8217;m sorry.  i must have missed it.  i didn&#8217;t take notes and had to work off of memory and the internet.</p>
<p>third, i understand that nurse john didn&#8217;t mack to ms. rain and/or her babe until later.  maybe my sentence was poorly written.  i thought my using the phrase &#8220;later cashes in&#8230;&#8221; conveyed that he didn&#8217;t ask for the hook up at precious&#8217; bedside.</p>
<p>perhaps the bobby brown comment was picky of me.  but i just think films that endeavor to be good should be accurate, unless one has real reason not to be.  besides, filmmakers use music to mark the time period (think &#8216;forrest gump&#8217;). i also just thought the song was a weirdly bad choice.</p>
<p>the book does indicate time period.  there&#8217;s the farrakhan element removed from the film version, and at least two mentions of ed koch, ny mayor from 78-89, in the book.  in fact, i believe there&#8217;s a mention of him wanting to shut down a hospital or some other building in harlem.  i think those things are really important.  harlem circa &#8216;87 is a lot different than the gentrified harlem we have now&#8211;heading to sylvia&#8217;s was probably not on the ny tourist&#8217;s list of things to do&#8211;and i think the filmmakers could&#8217;ve worked harder at establishing the setting and time.</p>
<p>regarding your take of colorism in the film, i have to disagree. in the book, ms. weiss was white, ms. rain was dark skinned, and nurse john was puerto rican and an insignificant character.  in the film, all the good people are light skinned. even precious&#8217; children are light, despite the fact that both precious and her father are dark (not saying it can&#8217;t happen, i&#8217;m just trying to make a point).  i found such casting moves deliberate and irresponsible.  further, the movie challenges precious&#8217; opinion of lgbt folks, why not challenge her assumptions about light-skinned people by not making such casting decisions?</p>
<p>i understand that there will be major differences b/w books and their film versions.  however, in this case i think we lost much of the power of the novel by trying to tell a different story on screen.  alex&#8217;s post (<a href="http://www.blackyouthproject.com/blog/2009/11/precious-pathologies/#more-3482" rel="nofollow">http://www.blackyouthproject.com/blog/2009/11/precious-pathologies/#more-3482</a>) does a great job of articulating this point.</p>
<p>finally, i&#8217;m not blaming winfrey and perry for the failures of the movie.  if anything, i question their reasons for wanting this movie to be produced, and i think it has to do with how they view the lives of black women.  i really do.</p>
<p>sorry this comment was so long, but i wanted to make sure i addressed all of your issues with my post.</p>
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		<title>By: Summer M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Summer M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@shak: thank you! i really think they re-shot things to make perry and winfrey happy.  i really do.

@sheryl: thanks so much for your comment.  it&#039;s so necessary to this conversation.  like qbg said, it&#039;s imperative that we think of societal forces and the way they both help create and fail girls like precious.  we must continue to have this conversation.  i will write a precious follow up blog next week, and include your thoughts there.  thank you.

also, here&#039;s a conversation you may be interested in: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=178029692367&amp;id=2614893&amp;ref=share</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shak: thank you! i really think they re-shot things to make perry and winfrey happy.  i really do.</p>
<p>@sheryl: thanks so much for your comment.  it&#8217;s so necessary to this conversation.  like qbg said, it&#8217;s imperative that we think of societal forces and the way they both help create and fail girls like precious.  we must continue to have this conversation.  i will write a precious follow up blog next week, and include your thoughts there.  thank you.</p>
<p>also, here&#8217;s a conversation you may be interested in: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=178029692367&amp;id=2614893&amp;ref=share" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=178029692367&amp;id=2614893&amp;ref=share</a></p>
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		<title>By: LaLa</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaLa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the typos, broken hand.</description>
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		<title>By: LaLa</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaLa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read your post and found it somewhat inaccurate. It is important to understand that Tyler Perry and Oprah Winfrey did not write the screen play for the movie. They were the investors/finacial backers (producers) of the movie so that it could be get made and be distributed through a movie studio such as Lionsgate. The chacter tht Monique played was Mary Jones, not Mary Johnsonton and Nurse John did not show interest in Ms. Rain or her partner at Precious&#039; beside. It was during her party for receiving the literacy award. 
Not every movie based on a book is quite the same. For example, the Color Purple. The book, movie, and play were different but the message was received. That is the same for this book/movie. Many people had previously read the book and then saw the  movie, which I recommend that they do in order to get a deeper portrayal and understanding of the characters. The movie also awakened a renewed interest in the book and perhaps many will read it for the first time.
As far as the song by Bobby Brown being played inthe background and its relese date, not aligned witht he year of the movie-the song was not used to portray a significant timeline in the movie, hence, it is not on the soundtrack.

As for Marih Carey&#039;s character, Ms. Weiss-her race was identified on the book. The ligther-complexioned characters in the movie were as such to play on Precious&#039; view of race and color, along with societies. 

However, I am not surprised that people are blaming Oprah Winfrey and Tyler Perry for each difference between the book and the movie. They were not the Directors of the Writers that adapted the book into a Screenplay.

The book did not go into great detail about the Regan Era. Afterall, it wasn about the era, it was about the lives of these people, particularly the life of Precious. The book was written and based off the real-life events, which the author was made aware of when she was a teacher in Harlem during the  80&#039;s. I think it is important to understand that alot of detail was not placed into the what era these events occurred because these issues are still happening...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your post and found it somewhat inaccurate. It is important to understand that Tyler Perry and Oprah Winfrey did not write the screen play for the movie. They were the investors/finacial backers (producers) of the movie so that it could be get made and be distributed through a movie studio such as Lionsgate. The chacter tht Monique played was Mary Jones, not Mary Johnsonton and Nurse John did not show interest in Ms. Rain or her partner at Precious&#8217; beside. It was during her party for receiving the literacy award.<br />
Not every movie based on a book is quite the same. For example, the Color Purple. The book, movie, and play were different but the message was received. That is the same for this book/movie. Many people had previously read the book and then saw the  movie, which I recommend that they do in order to get a deeper portrayal and understanding of the characters. The movie also awakened a renewed interest in the book and perhaps many will read it for the first time.<br />
As far as the song by Bobby Brown being played inthe background and its relese date, not aligned witht he year of the movie-the song was not used to portray a significant timeline in the movie, hence, it is not on the soundtrack.</p>
<p>As for Marih Carey&#8217;s character, Ms. Weiss-her race was identified on the book. The ligther-complexioned characters in the movie were as such to play on Precious&#8217; view of race and color, along with societies. </p>
<p>However, I am not surprised that people are blaming Oprah Winfrey and Tyler Perry for each difference between the book and the movie. They were not the Directors of the Writers that adapted the book into a Screenplay.</p>
<p>The book did not go into great detail about the Regan Era. Afterall, it wasn about the era, it was about the lives of these people, particularly the life of Precious. The book was written and based off the real-life events, which the author was made aware of when she was a teacher in Harlem during the  80&#8217;s. I think it is important to understand that alot of detail was not placed into the what era these events occurred because these issues are still happening&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Quirky Black Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quirky Black Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always summer your insights are provocative and helpful. 

Thank you Sheryl for drawing our attention to the nearly non-existent commentary on the structural forces that set up and circumscribe the lives of precious and her mother. I&#039;ve been trying to think of any film that has successfully depicted the way structural forces impact folks lives, let alone sets out to dismantle them.

I hadn&#039;t thought about this but a comment on another blog post about the film brought up that at the end of the film we see precious walking away with her two babies and there&#039;s no discussion of how hard its gonna be with no structural support for her to raise those kids and most likely in the early 90&#039;s, die of AIDS. WHo will take care of her kids then? Will they be put into the system (that the film can&#039;t even really begin to address?)

Sheryl, I&#039;d love to keep thinking about this. Particularly in light of Shaniya Davis&#039; tragic death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always summer your insights are provocative and helpful. </p>
<p>Thank you Sheryl for drawing our attention to the nearly non-existent commentary on the structural forces that set up and circumscribe the lives of precious and her mother. I&#8217;ve been trying to think of any film that has successfully depicted the way structural forces impact folks lives, let alone sets out to dismantle them.</p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t thought about this but a comment on another blog post about the film brought up that at the end of the film we see precious walking away with her two babies and there&#8217;s no discussion of how hard its gonna be with no structural support for her to raise those kids and most likely in the early 90&#8217;s, die of AIDS. WHo will take care of her kids then? Will they be put into the system (that the film can&#8217;t even really begin to address?)</p>
<p>Sheryl, I&#8217;d love to keep thinking about this. Particularly in light of Shaniya Davis&#8217; tragic death.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl Brissett Chapman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheryl Brissett Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Summer, unfortunately, I do not know you but thought your review of Precious captured a great deal. Where I got caught up was in the lack of adult accountability (or hint of it, really.) As the past Associate Director, Children&#039;s National Medical Center, Child Protection Division,in DC, for years,  I treated hundreds of girls like Precious and her mothers, much less often.  Today, I care for poor girls who are victims of incest and other forms of maltreatment in residential programs that I am responsible for as executive director of the National Center for Children and Families. I was missing acountability.  It is unrealistic to think that a child can be so deprived of their entitlement to an essential childhood of healthy nurturing, so pervasively betrayed by her family system, and overlooked by most of the community institutions, and the end result is that she moves on through sheer resiliency, a few friends, and a caring, trusting adult. If we are to believe that this is enough for Precious to raise her own offspring and to contribute to the world in a fashion that is befitting of her gifts, we too perpetuate an insufficient understanding of the impact of multiple layers of childhood trauma and our society&#039;s flat, at best mediocre, responses to it.

The film did not really address the above, but maybe the conversations that pursue, will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Summer, unfortunately, I do not know you but thought your review of Precious captured a great deal. Where I got caught up was in the lack of adult accountability (or hint of it, really.) As the past Associate Director, Children&#8217;s National Medical Center, Child Protection Division,in DC, for years,  I treated hundreds of girls like Precious and her mothers, much less often.  Today, I care for poor girls who are victims of incest and other forms of maltreatment in residential programs that I am responsible for as executive director of the National Center for Children and Families. I was missing acountability.  It is unrealistic to think that a child can be so deprived of their entitlement to an essential childhood of healthy nurturing, so pervasively betrayed by her family system, and overlooked by most of the community institutions, and the end result is that she moves on through sheer resiliency, a few friends, and a caring, trusting adult. If we are to believe that this is enough for Precious to raise her own offspring and to contribute to the world in a fashion that is befitting of her gifts, we too perpetuate an insufficient understanding of the impact of multiple layers of childhood trauma and our society&#8217;s flat, at best mediocre, responses to it.</p>
<p>The film did not really address the above, but maybe the conversations that pursue, will.</p>
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		<title>By: Fallon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Shak,

So, that was Oprah on the wall. I wasn&#039;t for sure. 

Also, on another unrelated point. I like that I know most of the people commenting on this piece. Just thought I would say that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Shak,</p>
<p>So, that was Oprah on the wall. I wasn&#8217;t for sure. </p>
<p>Also, on another unrelated point. I like that I know most of the people commenting on this piece. Just thought I would say that.</p>
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